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WSJ - NOVEMBER 20, 2008 - By ANDY KESSLER

Ignore the Stock Market Until February
The current volatility is less about fundamentals than forced selling.

The five biggest dislocations taking place:

1)Tax-loss selling 2)Mutual-fund redemptions 3)Mutual fund cap-gain distributions 4)Hedge-fund redemptions 5)Margin calls

"Down in the morning, up in the afternoon. Or is it the other way around? The topsy-turvy stock market is tough to read.

In the last year, the Dow Jones Industrial Average has briefly been over 13,000 and below 8,000. The past month has felt like the Cyclone roller coaster on Brooklyn's Coney Island -- lots of ups and downs, the whole rickety thing feeling like it's going to crash at any minute.

Great investors are taught to listen to the market. Each tick of the tape has something to say about expectations for growth, inflation, policy changes and looming recessions. The stock market is like a giant mass of pulsing plasma doing price discovery and a game of hot potato, getting stocks into the correct hands with the right risk profile. It's way too big for any one person to manipulate, let alone touch directly. Instead, millions of us provide input with our buying and selling decisions.

When it's at its most efficient, with buyers and sellers neatly matched up at the right price, it's a pretty good predictor. The Crash of 1929 announced a recession, and the wake-up call unheeded might have caused many of the bad policies leading to the Great Depression. The Crash of 1987? Not so much.

You see, the market is a great manipulator. In September, the Dow dropped 700 points intraday after the House of Representatives voted down the Treasury's TARP bank-rescue bill. Spooked, the House passed the bill the next week. Or how about this? The Dow was up 300 points on Election Day applauding an Obama victory and then down 1,600 points since.

The market can also be a bold-faced liar. On Jan. 22, the Fed announced an emergency 75-basis-point rate cut in response to huge drops in European markets. A few days later, it came out that a rogue trader at Société Générale lost them $7 billion and the bank was unwinding his positions. Oops.

So which is it now: an efficient mechanism or a manipulating liar? Should you listen to it warning of doom or anticipating renewal? I'd say stick wax in your ears and don't listen to the market until February.

Don't get me wrong. The freezing of the credit markets is wreaking havoc on the world economy. Corporate profits are dropping. Central banks are fighting off deflation and may not turn off the spigots fast enough -- which could ignite runaway inflation. But because of the credit mess, I am convinced the stock market is at its least efficient today. Don't read too much into any move. Here are the five biggest dislocations taking place:

- Tax-loss selling: Whenever you have a loss in a stock -- and who doesn't -- it's always tax smart to sell it, take a tax loss and either buy something similar or wait 30 days and buy the original one back. December can be an ugly month of indiscriminate selling. The December effect will be huge this year.

 
Posted : November 27, 2008 10:59 am
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look at fro and their div ....dont buy now , wait till under 20 div 12.00 a year ...3.00 a quarter and is the worlds largest shipper of oil!

 
Posted : November 27, 2008 11:03 am
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http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=fro

 
Posted : November 27, 2008 11:04 am
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buy fro under 20 ..

Even as the holiday shopping season begins in full swing, the same events poisoning the housing market are now at work on commercial properties, and the bad news is trickling in. Malls from Michigan to Georgia are entering foreclosure.

Hotels in Tucson, Ariz., and Hilton Head, S.C., also are about to default on their mortgages.

That pace is expected to quicken. The number of late payments and defaults will double, if not triple, by the end of next year, according to analysts from Fitch Ratings Ltd., which evaluates companies' credit.

"We're probably in the first inning of the commercial mortgage problem," said Scott Tross, a real estate lawyer with Herrick Feinstein in New Jersey.

 
Posted : November 27, 2008 2:28 pm
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THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS "TOO BIG TO FAIL"! THE U.S. AUTO INDUSTRY HAS ALREADY FAILED! BIG BANKS INCLUDING CITI HAVE FAILED! THE SOVIET UNION FAILED! COMMUNISM FAILED! AIG FAILED! BUSH FAILED! FANNIE MAY FAILED! FREDDIE MACK FAILED. TRYING TO DENY ALL OF THESE FAILURES BY THROWING BILLIONS OF DOLLARS AT THEM DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING, INCLUDING THE REASONS FOR THE FAILURE.
OUR BUDGET DEFICIT IS ASTRONOMICAL. OUR NATIONAL DEBT IS INCOMPREHENSIBLE, AND GENERATIONS WHICH FOLLOW WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO REPAY IT.
MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WERE SOLD THINGS THAT THEY COULDN'T PAY FOR BY EXTENDING CREDIT RECKLESSLY. NOW OUR GOVERNMENT IS SPENDING TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT THEY
DON'T HAVE SO THAT SOME PEOPLE CAN KEEP WHAT THEY CAN'T PAY FOR. THINGS WILL GET MUCH WORSE UNTIL AMERICANS REALIZE THAT THIS ISN'T

 
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Futures point to weak open as critical holiday shopping season kicks off. U.S. markets to close early

 
Posted : November 28, 2008 5:22 am
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"Investor sentiment is just so horrendous, I don't see who is left to sell."

 
Posted : November 28, 2008 9:20 am
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