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Tuesday, Nov. 11

Pittsburgh at Detroit (7 p.m. EST). The Penguins and Red Wings meet for the first time since Detroit beat Pittsburgh in six games in the Stanley Cup finals.

STARS

Monday

— Alex Ovechkin, Capitals, scored his first goal in 10 games and third of the year in Washington’s 4-2 victory over the Tampa Bay Lightning.

— Jeff Drouin-Deslauriers, Oilers, made 40 saves through overtime and went 3-for-3 in the shootout to lift Edmonton to a 3-2 victory over the New York Rangers.

— Gary Roberts, Lightning, had two goals in Tampa Bay’s 4-2 loss to Washington.

HE’S BACK

Olie Kolzig returned to Washington for the first time since he signed with Tampa Bay in the offseason. He allowed three first-period goals and finished with 26 saves in the Lightning’s 4-2 loss to the Capitals. “Olie the Goalie” spent 16 seasons with the Capitals, but was relegated to a backup role during Washington’s late push for the playoffs last season. He got a warm welcome from the crowd of 17,932.

MAKING IT LOOK EASY

In his second start in two days, rookie Jeff Drouin-Deslauriers made 40 saves through overtime and went 3-for-3 in the shootout to lift the Edmonton Oilers to a 3-2 victory over the New York Rangers on Monday night. The 24-year-old Drouin-Deslauriers improved to 3-0 in the NHL.

SPEAKING

“I’m glad it’s over with.”—Olie Kolzig after the Lightning lost 4-2 in his first game back in Washington since he signed with Tampa Bay in the offseason. “Olie the Goalie” spent 16 seasons with the Capitals, but was relegated to a backup role during Washington’s late push for the playoffs last season.

 
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Philadelphia Flyers vs. New York Islanders

The Flyers gave up two goals in the second period and lost 2-1 to the Lightning at the Wachovia Center Saturday night.

Tampa Bay stole the win as a +135 road underdog while the final score remained under the 5.5-goal total set by sportsbooks.

The Islanders blew a two-goal lead to lose 4-3 in a shootout to the Penguins at Nassau Coliseum Saturday.

Pittsburgh stole the victory as a -157 road favorite. The final score played over the 5.5-goal total set by sportsbooks.

Current streak:
Philadelphia has lost 3 straight games.
New York has lost 2 straight games.

Team records:
Philadelphia: 4-6-3
New York: 4-8-2

Philadelphia most recently:
When playing on Tuesday are 2-8
Before playing Tampa Bay are 6-4
After playing Tampa Bay are 6-4
After a loss are 2-8

New York most recently:
When playing on Tuesday are 7-3
Before playing New Jersey are 5-5
After playing Pittsburgh are 6-4
After a loss are 4-6

A few trends to consider:
Philadelphia is 5-0 SU in their last 5 games when playing NY Islanders
The total has gone OVER in 10 of Philadelphia's last 12 games on the road
The total has gone UNDER in 4 of Philadelphia's last 5 games when playing NY Islanders
The total has gone OVER in 4 of Philadelphia's last 5 games when playing on the road against NY Islanders
The total has gone OVER in 5 of the NY Islanders last 5 games at home
The total has gone OVER in 4 of the NY Islanders last 5 games
The total has gone UNDER in 4 of the NY Islanders last 5 games when playing Philadelphia
The total has gone OVER in 4 of the NY Islanders last 5 games when playing at home against Philadelphia

Next up:
Philadelphia at Pittsburgh, Thursday, November 13
NY Islanders at Ottawa, Thursday, November 13

Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Detroit Red Wings

Goaltender Dany Sabourin was a brick wall in the shootout, completing the Penguins' 4-3 comeback win over the Islanders at Nassau Coliseum Saturday.

Pittsburgh stole the victory as a -157 road favorite. The final score played over the 5.5-goal total set by sportsbooks.

Marian Hossa scored twice for the Red wings, leading them to a 3-1 win over the Devils at Joe Louis Arena Saturday.

Detroit won as a -220 home favorite while the final score stayed under the total of 5.5 goals.

Current streak:
Pittsburgh has won 3 straight games.
Detroit has won 2 straight games.

Team records:
Pittsburgh: 8-4-2
Detroit: 9-2-2

Pittsburgh most recently:
When playing on Tuesday are 5-5
Before playing Ottawa are 5-5
After playing NY Islanders are 7-3
After a win are 4-6

Detroit most recently:
When playing on Tuesday are 8-2
Before playing Edmonton are 5-5
After playing New Jersey are 2-2-3
After a win are 6-4

A few trends to consider:
The total has gone UNDER in 8 of Pittsburgh's last 11 games when playing on the road against Detroit
The total has gone UNDER in 9 of Pittsburgh's last 13 games
Pittsburgh is 6-3 SU in its last 9 games
The total has gone UNDER in 4 of Pittsburgh's last 6 games on the road
The total has gone OVER in 8 of Detroit's last 10 games
Detroit is 4-1 SU in its last 5 games when playing at home against Pittsburgh
Detroit is 15-4 SU in its last 19 games at home
Detroit is 7-2 SU in its last 9 games

Next up:
Pittsburgh home to Philadelphia, Thursday, November 13
Detroit at Tampa Bay, Thursday, November 13


Ottawa Senators vs. Montreal Canadiens

The Senators gave up two goals in the third period in a 2-1 loss to the Hurricanes on Friday, as +105 road underdogs. The three goals went UNDER the posted over/under (6).

Mike Fisher scored the lone goal for the Senators, while Martin Gerber made 28 saves in the loss.

The Canadiens were trounced 6-3 by the Maple Leafs at Air Canada Centre Saturday night.

Toronto won as a +132 home underdog while the final score played over the 5.5-goal total.

Current streak:
Montreal has lost 2 straight games.

Team records:
Ottawa: 6-6-2
Montreal: 8-2-2

Ottawa most recently:
When playing on Tuesday are 6-4
Before playing Boston are 7-3
After playing Carolina are 7-3
After a loss are 4-6

Montreal most recently:
When playing on Tuesday are 5-5
Before playing Boston are 5-5
After playing Toronto are 6-4
After a loss are 5-5

A few trends to consider:
The total has gone UNDER in 5 of Ottawa's last 5 games
The total has gone UNDER in 5 of Ottawa's last 6 games on the road
The total has gone OVER in 4 of Ottawa's last 5 games when playing on the road against Montreal
Ottawa is 8-3 SU in its last 11 games when playing Montreal
Montreal is 4-1 SU in its last 5 games at home
The total has gone OVER in 4 of Montreal's last 5 games when playing at home against Ottawa
Montreal is 8-3 SU in its last 11 games
The total has gone OVER in 7 of Montreal's last 10 games when playing Ottawa

Next up:
Ottawa home to NY Islanders, Thursday, November 13
Montreal at Boston, Thursday, November 13

Ottawa Senators vs. Montreal Canadiens

The Senators gave up two goals in the third period in a 2-1 loss to the Hurricanes on Friday, as +105 road underdogs. The three goals went UNDER the posted over/under (6).

Mike Fisher scored the lone goal for the Senators, while Martin Gerber made 28 saves in the loss.

The Canadiens were trounced 6-3 by the Maple Leafs at Air Canada Centre Saturday night.

Toronto won as a +132 home underdog while the final score played over the 5.5-goal total.

Current streak:
Montreal has lost 2 straight games.

Team records:
Ottawa: 6-6-2
Montreal: 8-2-2

Ottawa most recently:
When playing on Tuesday are 6-4
Before playing Boston are 7-3
After playing Carolina are 7-3
After a loss are 4-6

Montreal most recently:
When playing on Tuesday are 5-5
Before playing Boston are 5-5
After playing Toronto are 6-4
After a loss are 5-5

A few trends to consider:
The total has gone UNDER in 5 of Ottawa's last 5 games
The total has gone UNDER in 5 of Ottawa's last 6 games on the road
The total has gone OVER in 4 of Ottawa's last 5 games when playing on the road against Montreal
Ottawa is 8-3 SU in its last 11 games when playing Montreal
Montreal is 4-1 SU in its last 5 games at home
The total has gone OVER in 4 of Montreal's last 5 games when playing at home against Ottawa
Montreal is 8-3 SU in its last 11 games
The total has gone OVER in 7 of Montreal's last 10 games when playing Ottawa

Next up:
Ottawa home to NY Islanders, Thursday, November 13
Montreal at Boston, Thursday, November 13

Toronto Maple Leafs vs. Calgary Flames

The Maple Leafs turned it on again late with two third-period goals to down the Canadiens 6-3 at Air Canada Centre Saturday night.

Toronto won as a +132 home underdog while the final score played over the 5.5-goal total.

The Flames lost to Chicago 6-1 as a +145 underdog on Sunday. The seven goals scored went OVER the posted over/under total (5.5).

Dustin Boyd scored the Flames' lone goal and Miikka Kiprusoff made 21 saves

Current streak:
Calgary has lost 2 straight games.

Team records:
Toronto: 6-5-4
Calgary: 8-7-1

Toronto most recently:
When playing on Tuesday are 7-3
Before playing San Jose are 3-3-2
After playing Montreal are 3-7
After a win are 4-6

Calgary most recently:
When playing on Tuesday are 6-4
Before playing Los Angeles are 6-4
After playing Chicago are 6-4
After a loss are 5-5

A few trends to consider:
The total has gone OVER in 5 of Toronto's last 5 games
The total has gone OVER in 4 of Toronto's last 5 games on the road
Toronto is 17-6 SU in its last 23 games when playing Calgary
Toronto is 2-4 SU in its last 6 games on the road
Calgary is 4-1 SU in its last 5 games at home
The total has gone UNDER in 6 of Calgary's last 9 games
Calgary is 4-2 SU in its last 6 games when playing at home against Toronto
Calgary is 6-17 SU in its last 23 games when playing Toronto

Next up:
Toronto at Edmonton, Thursday, November 13
Calgary at San Jose, Thursday, November 13

Dallas Stars vs. Los Angeles Kings

The Stars suffered a 2-1 heart-breaking loss in the final 30 seconds of the third period against the Sharks at HP Pavilion Saturday night.

San Jose won as a -173 home favorite while the final score played under the total of 5.5 goals.

A frantic third period, which included five goals, led to a 5-3 win for the Kings over the Blues at STAPLES Center Saturday night.

Los Angeles won as a -120 home favorite while the exciting third period pushed the total over the 5.5-goal total.

Current streak:
Los Angeles has won 2 straight games.

Team records:
Dallas: 5-7-2
Los Angeles: 5-6-2

Dallas most recently:
When playing on Tuesday are 6-3-1
Before playing Los Angeles are 5-5
After playing San Jose are 7-3
After a loss are 6-4

Los Angeles most recently:
When playing on Tuesday are 5-5
Before playing Dallas are 5-5
After playing St. Louis are 3-7
After a win are 3-7

A few trends to consider:
The total has gone OVER in 6 of Dallas's last 7 games
The total has gone OVER in 5 of Dallas's last 6 games when playing on the road against Los Angeles
The total has gone OVER in 4 of Dallas's last 5 games on the road
Dallas is 12-4 SU in its last 16 games when playing Los Angeles
The total has gone OVER in 5 of Los Angeles's last 6 games when playing at home against Dallas
The total has gone UNDER in 4 of Los Angeles's last 5 games
The total has gone UNDER in 4 of Los Angeles's last 5 games at home
The total has gone OVER in 7 of Los Angeles's last 10 games when playing Dallas

Next up:
Los Angeles at Dallas, Thursday, November 13

Nashville Predators vs. San Jose Sharks

The Predators suffered their third straight loss in a 1-0 squeaker to the Avalanche at the Pepsi Center Saturday night.

The Avalanche won as -144 home favorites while the final score played well under the total of 5.5 goals.

The Sharks lost to Phoenix 4-2 as a -145 favorite on Sunday. The six goals scored went OVER the posted over/under total (5).

Ryan Clowe had a goal and an assist for San Jose, while Brian Boucher made 26 saves in the loss.

Current streak:
Nashville has lost 3 straight games.

Team records:
Nashville: 6-7-1
San Jose: 13-3-0

Nashville most recently:
When playing on Tuesday are 5-5
Before playing Minnesota are 7-3
After playing Colorado are 5-5
After a loss are 5-5

San Jose most recently:
When playing on Tuesday are 9-1
Before playing Toronto are 3-3-2
After playing Phoenix are 6-4
After a loss are 6-4

A few trends to consider:
The total has gone UNDER in 4 of Nashville's last 5 games
The total has gone UNDER in 5 of Nashville's last 7 games when playing San Jose
The total has gone UNDER in 7 of Nashville's last 10 games when playing on the road against San Jose
The total has gone OVER in 4 of Nashville's last 6 games on the road
San Jose is 5-0 SU in its last 5 games when playing Nashville
San Jose is 5-0 SU in its last 5 games at home
San Jose is 11-1 SU in its last 12 games when playing at home against Nashville
San Jose is 7-1 SU in its last 8 games

Next up:
Nashville at Anaheim, Friday, November 14
San Jose home to Calgary, Thursday, November 13

 
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PHILADELPHIA (4-6-0-3, 11 pts.) at NY ISLANDERS (4-8-0-2, 10 pts.)
Top Trends for this game.
PHILADELPHIA is 5-14 ATS (+24.6 Units) after 3 or more consecutive losses over the last 2 seasons.
PHILADELPHIA is 31-52 ATS (-21.3 Units) when playing against a team with a losing record over the last 3 seasons.
NY ISLANDERS are 13-29 ATS (+47.9 Units) in a home game where where the total is 5.5 over the last 3 seasons.
NY ISLANDERS are 24-46 ATS (-28.4 Units) in home games revenging a loss versus opponent since 1996.

Head-to-Head Series History
PHILADELPHIA is 10-7 (+3.9 Units) against the spread versus NY ISLANDERS over the last 3 seasons
PHILADELPHIA is 10-7-0 straight up against NY ISLANDERS over the last 3 seasons
11 of 16 games in this series have gone UNDER THE TOTAL over the last 3 seasons . (Under=+5.2 Units)

PITTSBURGH (8-4-0-2, 18 pts.) at DETROIT (9-2-0-2, 20 pts.)
Top Trends for this game.
DETROIT is 86-33 ATS (+4.0 Units) in home games in non-conference games since 1996.
DETROIT is 36-12 ATS (+13.3 Units) after a win by 2 goals or more over the last 2 seasons.
PITTSBURGH is 69-47 ATS (+13.6 Units) in all games over the last 2 seasons.
PITTSBURGH is 12-4 ATS (+7.6 Units) on Tuesday nights over the last 2 seasons.
PITTSBURGH is 18-6 ATS (+10.8 Units) when playing with 2 days rest over the last 2 seasons.
DETROIT is 62-66 ATS (-72.2 Units) on Tuesday nights since 1996.

Head-to-Head Series History
DETROIT is 5-2 (+1.1 Units) against the spread versus PITTSBURGH over the last 3 seasons
DETROIT is 5-2-0 straight up against PITTSBURGH over the last 3 seasons
4 of 5 games in this series have gone UNDER THE TOTAL over the last 3 seasons . (Under=+3.2 Units)

OTTAWA (6-6-0-2, 14 pts.) at MONTREAL (9-2-0-2, 20 pts.)
Top Trends for this game.
OTTAWA is 49-51 ATS (-32.8 Units) in all games over the last 2 seasons.
OTTAWA is 6-13 ATS (-11.8 Units) after scoring 1 goal or less in their previous game over the last 2 seasons.
OTTAWA is 15-6 ATS (+8.4 Units) in road games when playing against a team with a winning record in the first half of the season over the last 3 seasons.

Head-to-Head Series History
OTTAWA is 10-6 (+2.3 Units) against the spread versus MONTREAL over the last 3 seasons
OTTAWA is 10-6-0 straight up against MONTREAL over the last 3 seasons
9 of 15 games in this series have gone OVER THE TOTAL over the last 3 seasons . (Over=+2.7 Units)

TORONTO (6-5-0-4, 16 pts.) at CALGARY (8-7-0-1, 17 pts.)
Top Trends for this game.
TORONTO is 6-15 ATS (-13.4 Units) on Tuesday nights over the last 2 seasons.
CALGARY is 10-14 ATS (-8.1 Units) in a home game where where the total is 5.5 over the last 2 seasons.
CALGARY is 6-14 ATS (-18.0 Units) in November games over the last 2 seasons.

Head-to-Head Series History
TORONTO is 1-0 (+1.1 Units) against the spread versus CALGARY over the last 3 seasons
TORONTO is 1-0-0 straight up against CALGARY over the last 3 seasons
1 of 1 games in this series have gone OVER THE TOTAL over the last 3 seasons . (Over=+1.0 Units)

NASHVILLE (6-7-0-1, 13 pts.) at SAN JOSE (13-3-0-0, 26 pts.)
Top Trends for this game.
NASHVILLE is 19-45 ATS (+73.4 Units) in road games when playing with 2 days rest since 1996.
SAN JOSE is 9-0 ATS (+9.0 Units) in home games first half of the season this season.
NASHVILLE is 51-49 ATS (+116.3 Units) in road games after scoring 1 goal or less in their previous game since 1996.
SAN JOSE is 83-88 ATS (-57.8 Units) in home games after a division game since 1996.
SAN JOSE is 51-50 ATS (-51.1 Units) in home games when playing against a team with a losing record in the first half of the season since 1996.

Head-to-Head Series History
SAN JOSE is 9-4 (+4.9 Units) against the spread versus NASHVILLE over the last 3 seasons
SAN JOSE is 9-4-0 straight up against NASHVILLE over the last 3 seasons
7 of 13 games in this series have gone UNDER THE TOTAL over the last 3 seasons . (Under=+0.1 Units)

DALLAS (6-7-0-2, 14 pts.) at LOS ANGELES (5-6-0-2, 12 pts.)
Top Trends for this game.
DALLAS is 25-15 ATS (+41.4 Units) in road games vs. division opponents over the last 3 seasons.
DALLAS is 136-80 ATS (+25.5 Units) after scoring 1 goal or less in their previous game since 1996.
LOS ANGELES is 10-31 ATS (+56.6 Units) after a win by 2 goals or more over the last 3 seasons.
LOS ANGELES is 7-23 ATS (+37.9 Units) after scoring 4 goals or more in their previous game over the last 2 seasons.
LOS ANGELES is 7-22 ATS (+30.4 Units) when playing against a team with a losing record in the first half of the season over the last 2 seasons.

Head-to-Head Series History
DALLAS is 12-4 (+5.7 Units) against the spread versus LOS ANGELES over the last 3 seasons
DALLAS is 12-4-0 straight up against LOS ANGELES over the last 3 seasons
9 of 16 games in this series have gone OVER THE TOTAL over the last 3 seasons . (Over=+1.2 Units)

Philadelphia at NY Islanders
Philadelphia: 9-19 SU after a close loss by 1 goal
NY Islanders: 8-3 SU after playing 2 straight games with 7+ goals

Pittsburgh at Detroit
Pittsburgh: 8-16 SU off a win against a division rival
Detroit: 36-12 SU after a win by 2+ goals

Ottawa at Montreal
Ottawa: 6-13 SU after scoring 1 goal or less
Montreal: 21-10 SU off a loss against a division rival

Toronto at Calgary
Toronto: 92-71 SU after having lost 3 of their last 4
Calgary: 6-14 SU in November

Nashville at San Jose
Nashville: 1-5 SU at San Jose
San Jose: 9-0 SU as a home favorite

Dallas at Los Angeles
Dallas: 10-3 SU AWAY after having lost 3 of their last 4
Los Angeles: 3-15 SU after a game with 8+ goals

PHILADELPHIA vs. NY ISLANDERS
Philadelphia is 5-0 SU in their last 5 games when playing NY Islanders
The total has gone UNDER in 4 of Philadelphia's last 5 games when playing NY Islanders
NY Islanders are 2-8 SU in their last 10 games
The total has gone OVER in 4 of the NY Islanders last 5 games

PITTSBURGH vs. DETROIT
Pittsburgh is 2-6 SU in its last 8 games when playing Detroit
The total has gone UNDER in 4 of Pittsburgh's last 6 games on the road
Detroit is 15-4 SU in its last 19 games at home
The total has gone OVER in 4 of Detroit's last 6 games at home

OTTAWA vs. MONTREAL
Ottawa is 8-16 SU in its last 24 games on the road
The total has gone UNDER in 5 of Ottawa's last 6 games on the road
The total has gone OVER in 4 of Montreal's last 5 games when playing at home against Ottawa
Montreal is 4-1 SU in its last 5 games at home

TORONTO vs. CALGARY
Toronto is 2-4 SU in its last 6 games on the road
The total has gone OVER in 4 of Toronto's last 5 games on the road
Calgary is 1-4 SU in its last 5 games
The total has gone UNDER in 6 of Calgary's last 9 games

DALLAS vs. LOS ANGELES
The total has gone OVER in 5 of Dallas's last 6 games when playing on the road against Los Angeles
Dallas is 4-9 SU in its last 13 games on the road
Los Angeles is 4-12 SU in its last 16 games when playing Dallas
The total has gone OVER in 7 of Los Angeles's last 10 games when playing Dallas

NASHVILLE vs. SAN JOSE
Nashville is 0-5 SU in its last 5 games on the road
The total has gone OVER in 4 of Nashville's last 6 games on the road
San Jose is 5-0 SU in its last 5 games at home
San Jose is 11-1 SU in its last 12 games when playing at home against Nashville

 
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NHL FORECAST FOR TUESDAY NOV 11TH
by Ron Raymond

Philadelphia vs. NY Islanders

Hard to believe, but the Flyers are 0-7 SU when Briere is in the line up this season and they are currently on a 3-game losing streak. Islanders are a Jekyll and Hyde team during a game. They can get up by 3 or 4 goals and turn into a charity fund in the 3rd period and give it all back. Numbers says the Islanders by 0.60 goals, so let's ride the computer forecast on this one, because either team can be reliable at this point of the season.

Prediction: NY Islanders 4 Philadelphia 3

Pittsburgh vs. Detroit

The Red Wings are 5-2 in their last 7 games and their strength of schedule in those games is 57% and the Pens are 4-3 with a SOS of 48%. Both teams are riding high, but the Pens are in a tough spot on the road vs. a Detroit team who are 18-3-4 SU at home when the total is 5.5, scored 3 goals FOR in their last game and coming off a Home win as a Favorite.

Prediction: Detroit 3 Pittsburgh 2

Ottawa vs. Montreal

Although the Canadiens are 8-4 SU on the season, they seem to have a lack of chemistry on their lines, but to their credit, they still find a way to win. The Kovalev and Plekanec line was one of the top lines last season and they've yet to gel this season and if it wasn't for the Koivu Tanguay line, Montreal would be a .500 club or maybe 6-8 like Ottawa. I keep waiting for the Senators to explode offensively game after game and continue to expect high scoring contest, but the Craig Hartsburgh system is not giving into the program. When you think Ottawa, you think goals and high scoring games, but the UNDER is 7-3-0 in their last 10 and they don't have the secondary scoring from past season.

Prediction: Ottawa 3 Montreal 2

Toronto vs. Calgary

Here's the road trip where Cliff Fletcher will get his wake up call and will be force to get an enforcer. People who are expected to play this role in Toronto aren't good at it right now and they don't have a chance against the big boys like Laracque and Brashear. So, what's going to happen to the team chemistry once the current so called �enforcers� gets their lunch handed to them? I have a feeling it's going to bring down team confidence and its going make it harder for the current role players to look their buddies in the eyes. Cliff Fletcher must get somebody to help out guys like Jamaal Mayer and you can't let a 19 year old like Schenn play this role. As for Tonight, Calgary is in a nasty mood, they've lost 2 in a row and the Leafs are in a good letdown spot after their 6-3 win over Montreal. Calgary has won the last 4 meetings at the Pengrowth Saddledome and looks like 5 tonight. Wake up Cliff, do the right thing here!

Prediction: Calgary 4 Toronto 1

Nashville vs. San Jose

Cheechoo is a listed as questionable and the Sharks have yet to lose at home this season. The Preds are 1-7 SU on the road this season and they need some goaltending help, as they are allowing 4.25 goals against on the road this season.

Prediction: San Jose 3 Nashville 2

Dallas vs. LA Kings

Sort of a law of average play here, as the Stars are coming off a lost and the Kings a win and both of these clubs have played in the inconsistent card this season. The Stars have seen the OVER in 5 out of 6 games at the Staples Centre and will be looking to put an end to the Kings 2 game winning streak. When LOS ANGELES team played as a home team - Last 2 years - Coming off a 2 goal win; The Kings are 2-9 SU in this role.

Prediction: Dallas 3 LA Kings 2

 
Posted : November 11, 2008 11:01 am
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